Skirt Strategies<\/em> and that is \u2013 that we want you to lead with your basic human skills. And part of that is using your femininity in order to lead.<\/p>\nKatie: I\u2019ll make myself vulnerable on this \u2013 right off the bat.<\/p>\n
In the past, my career\u2026 and many of you know that my first career was \u2013 as an electrical engineer in the defense industry.<\/p>\n
There\u2019s a male dominated workplace \u2013 loved it. But I would not say that I was true to my natural feminine integrity.<\/p>\n
Carol: Sure.<\/p>\n
Katie: I was not. I had no idea at the time \u2013 that I was not living with that integrity.<\/p>\n
Now, was I dishonest, was I disloyal, was I unrighteous? No. It wasn\u2019t that.<\/p>\n
It was that I was going with the flow based on being outnumbered by the way other people were leading.<\/p>\n
Carol: Right. And we always say that. You know, you\u2019re leading from a few different places, but one of them is your role models.<\/p>\n
Katie: Right.<\/p>\n
Carol: So, if you\u2019re in the male dominated workplace, you\u2019re going to lead like the other leaders lead \u2013 and that\u2019s usually in a male sort of way.<\/p>\n
Katie: Youth has a lot to do with it too, because of course\u2026 you know when I first started as an engineer \u2013 I was in my young 20\u2019s, early 20\u2019s. And you don\u2019t do so much self grasping at that time. (That\u2019s figuratively speaking, by the way.)<\/p>\n
And you don\u2019t do so much of the understanding that what you\u2019re looking inward to where are my intents coming from. You\u2019re more influenced by the people that are around you. I think that\u2019s just immaturity.<\/p>\n
Carol: Sure.<\/p>\n
Katie: Nothing unusual. It\u2019s just part of figuring out.<\/p>\n
Carol: Who you are.<\/p>\n
Katie: Yes. And we have a lot of young followers. We get a lot of women that have had no leadership training, no leadership support \u2013 maybe they\u2019ve had some mentoring. But if so, it hasn\u2019t been that effective or they haven\u2019t quite figured out how to do it.<\/p>\n
So, I love that women follow us with this understanding that we have the answers on some things.<\/p>\n
Carol: Yes we do. We have all the answers on everything, really. And it\u2019s going to take us a while to get them all out there.<\/p>\n
Katie: I love that.<\/p>\n
Carol: No, you know I don\u2019t believe that. But what I love about this question and especially for those women who are younger \u2013 is that you can choose how you lead. And the earlier you do that, the better off you\u2019ll be.<\/p>\n
So, in this tip, it talks about\u2026 So often we ask ourselves, \u201cWhat do I want to do for a living?\u201d<\/em> And instead, ask yourself who you want to be in this world.<\/p>\nKatie: I would have never asked myself that. And I was in a very isolated workplace where there wouldn\u2019t be anybody around me that could have sat down across the table with a cup of coffee or a glass of wine and\u2026<\/p>\n
Carol: And actually said, \u201cWho do you want to be?\u201d<\/em><\/p>\nKatie: Step me through that.<\/p>\n
Carol: Sure. And that\u2019s a huge question. I mean, I don\u2019t know that I\u2019ve answered it for myself. Had I answered it earlier in life though? The integrity part would have been easier.<\/p>\n
Katie: Aha.<\/p>\n
Carol: I really do think that if you have\u2026 and it\u2019s the whole moral compass and it\u2019s the integrity compass. If you have a set of values that you live from, then it\u2019s easy to make decisions. Then you never have to think about making those decisions.<\/p>\n
Katie: \u00a0Boy! That\u2019s a big road. I mean, that\u2019s a long road and it\u2019s one that constantly changes.<\/p>\n
Carol: Well, it is. It is, but earlier you can do this\u2026 and even if you\u2019re doing it late in life.<\/p>\n
What does integrity look like and can\u2019t you point out somebody in your life that has so much integrity and you just love them for it? They are always spot on.<\/p>\n
Katie: That\u2019s why role models can be so powerful.<\/p>\n
I\u2019m kind of a mimicker. It\u2019s easy for me to see somebody doing something and say \u201cOkay, I get it. I get it.\u201d<\/em> Because I just saw it in action.<\/p>\nRole models serve that purpose. You see the way that they conduct themselves and if it\u2019s something that you get and you agree with and you think it might be natural for you or even if it\u2019s unnatural \u2013 as long as it\u2019s a little bit you, you can grow towards it.<\/p>\n
For example; When I first started consulting \u2013 I was on the client side of a consulting company and this was a rather large consulting firm out of the East Coast that was in the organization that I worked in.<\/p>\n
We had 2 or 3 of the regular principals that were in \u2013 working with us in our engineering company. All of 3 of them, I just was wowed by.<\/p>\n
I remember watching them lead some of the workshops and consulting and training that we did through this consulting firm. I remember watching them and thinking, \u201cOh I could never do that.\u201d<\/em> But it was something that I looked to.<\/p>\nCarol: Right.<\/p>\n
Katie: About 6 months after that, they recruited me.<\/p>\n
Carol: Oh wow!<\/p>\n
Katie: They picked me out of the whole crowd and recruited me to be one of their associates. That\u2019s when I left the engineering world and went in to the consulting world. And that was 20 years ago, 20-25 years ago.<\/p>\n
Now I look back on what they were doing\u2026 And this is not boasting, but I\u2019m clearly doing it and then some. It was a big step forward for me, but it laid the path for, \u201cHere\u2019s where I am going.\u201d<\/em><\/p>\nSo to me that wasn\u2019t\u2026 (and they were all men, so this is not feminine integrity) but that was certainly growth in my career and how I wanted to do it. And they had moral compasses. That\u2019s why I loved that consulting company because they had this.<\/p>\n
Everyone had kind of a common moral compass that was really positive, really easy to work with and I loved it.<\/p>\n
Carol: How wonderful. They say \u2013 people are willing to work for people who have that kind of integrity.<\/p>\n
You know some of the things I did as a young manager was\u2026 Honestly, I came into it when I was 21 \u2013 when I owned my first restaurant.<\/p>\n
So I was kind of thrown into it. I had had a couple of jobs prior to that, but they weren\u2019t on that scale. So I\u2019m managing 30 people \u2013 boom.<\/p>\n
Katie: So do you remember what it was like at that time, Carol? Do you remember thinking, \u201cOh, my God! I do not know what I am doing\u201d <\/em><\/p>\nCarol: Oh yeah. And I\u2019ve got to pretend like I do, because these people are looking towards me to have some of the answers. I mean, not that I was faking it, but I was faking it to a certain degree.<\/p>\n
The other thing I did \u2013 was I really did think about how I was going to be a manager. Because I\u2019d had enough managers by that point in my life that I knew who I liked and who I didn\u2019t.<\/p>\n
And I think one of my basic tenants was \u2013 I was going to know all the jobs, I was going to be able to do all the jobs in the entire restaurant, before I would start telling other people what to do.<\/p>\n
So I got in, I dish-washed for lunch like for an entire week. It was grueling, it was nasty. But I knew how to do it. And I knew what…<\/p>\n
Katie: Did you have dish-panned hands after that?<\/p>\n
Carol: It\u2019s actually kind of fun in the restaurant. Because you get a big sprayer and you\u2019re just\u2026<\/p>\n
Katie: Oh yeah. I\u2019ve done that.<\/p>\n
Carol: It\u2019s on huge level.<\/p>\n
Katie: Really powerful?<\/p>\n
Carol: So, I did all the jobs and I was going to manage from that. I know the job because I\u2019ve been there.<\/p>\n
Katie: Listen to how that had an approach in an integrity. And so here you are, you\u2019re a leader.<\/p>\n
And I want to talk also in just a second \u2013 about the integrity that happens when you\u2019re suddenly the boss. And you\u2019re not loyal to yourself \u2013 you think you have to behave somewhere else, like something else, but you kind of have a plan.<\/p>\n
\u201cHere\u2019s what I think I need to have in my talent, in my experience, in my background. So that as a boss, they all look at me and they respect me and I know what I\u2019m talking about.\u201d<\/em><\/p>\nThat\u2019s a plan. That\u2019s so simple, but that\u2019s a plan \u2013 even on a small, short-term scale.<\/p>\n
I\u2019m working with someone right now who\u2019s the boss. Her boss in this organization \u2013 we spend a lot of time coaching around because there is no plan. And there is a lot of disruptive interruption \u2013 like things coming out a left field, where the boss will say something and now my client, (I\u2019m saying it very generally.)<\/p>\n
Carol: Good.<\/p>\n
Katie: My client will be like, \u201cAnd then she said this\u2026\u201d<\/em> And I have no idea where that is coming from and it\u2019s just sending me inconsistent messages.<\/p>\nHaving that consistency around your integrity in what you want to be and what you want to be known for \u2013 take a stab at it, at least have something.<\/p>\n
Carol: It\u2019s true. If people are looking at you with confusion, then maybe you should go back, figure out what it is you need to be instructing them and come back with clear, concise instruction.<\/p>\n
Katie: Companies are good now at having Personal Development Plans \u2013 PDP\u2019s.<\/p>\n
Carol: Right.<\/p>\n
Katie: Personal Development Plans. PDP\u2019s or whatever else they might have. So during their annual view they write down what they\u2026<\/p>\n
I have looked at a lot of those and there are still more of them that don\u2019t have and do, more that don\u2019t have anything along the lines of personal effectiveness development.<\/p>\n
Like, \u201cGo to a course to achieve your certification for blah, blah, blah. Make sure that you attend such and such.\u201d<\/em><\/p>\nBut rarely are they around more\u2026 I don\u2019t want to say soft skills, but\u2026<\/p>\n
Carol: Introspective?<\/p>\n
Katie: Yeah, maybe introspective.<\/p>\n
Carol: Yeah. \u201cI\u2019m going to actually spend a year \u2013 thinking about where I want to be and how I\u2019m going to manage other people or\u2026\u201d<\/em><\/p>\nKatie: Yes, yes.<\/p>\n
Carol: Was that what you\u2019re saying?<\/p>\n
Katie: Yes. \u201cWhat type of a leader you are?\u201d<\/em> I did never have \u2013 \u201cWhat type of a leader do you want to be?\u201d<\/em> But they might have \u2013 \u201cGet the skills of dishwashing and setting the table.\u201d<\/em><\/p>\nI mean, they might have that because that\u2019s real measurable and that specific. But they won\u2019t have, \u201cHow do you interact with others? How do you provide leadership for others? How do you manage conflict when employees have something?\u201d<\/em><\/p>\nSo to me there\u2019s an integrity around that \u2013 that so many women can just articulate. And even if you\u2019re only halfway right and you start somewhere and then, you live in it for a little while and then you realize, \u201cMaybe that\u2019s not exactly where my strengths are. I\u2019m going to go more this way.\u201d<\/em><\/p>\nCarol: Yeah.<\/p>\n
Katie: I wanted to bring up the integrity that happens when you are lack of it or when you get promoted.<\/p>\n
Carol: Oh! That\u2019s so hard. I\u2019ve promoted so many people in my life and I\u2019ve seen it just\u2026 especially women. I think they have a harder time with it.<\/p>\n
Katie: Did you see them change?<\/p>\n
Carol: I did. I saw them take on a very male based skillset when I was promoting them for their ability to bring a group together, a team and make a really great team and kind of motivate that team.<\/p>\n
Then you promote them. And all of a sudden, they take on kind of a male skillset of \u2013 \u201cOkay. You shouldn\u2019t have done that.\u201d <\/em>And it\u2019s very demanding.<\/p>\nKatie: \u201cHere\u2019s how I think I should act.\u201d<\/em><\/p>\nCarol: Yeah, yeah. \u201cHere\u2019s how I think I should act \u2013 as a manager of these people.\u201d<\/em><\/p>\nKatie: And mostly, because it was many of the managers that they saw that were in control or command and controlling men.<\/p>\n
Carol: Right.<\/p>\n
Katie: It could be. I mean, that maybe\u2026<\/p>\n
Carol: And I was really looking for a team leader. I saw that in them \u2013 therefore, I promoted them. And then, I saw them going a different direction.<\/p>\n
And interestingly, it\u2019s a hard rope to hold. It really is a hard line of \u2013 \u201cHow do I remain friends and get them to work in a team and all of that? But then, also be the disciplinarian.\u201d <\/em>Not easy.<\/p>\nBut here\u2019s the thing in women. You\u2019re going to have to learn to do it when you have kids. So learn it now.<\/p>\n
Katie: It became easier after I had kids.<\/p>\n
Carol: Interesting. Tell me about that.<\/p>\n
Katie: Well, if you\u2019ve ever run into \u2013 before you have kids. If you\u2019re running kids in public and they\u2019re misbehaving or they\u2019re pushing next to you at the McDonald\u2019s line. Before you had kids, you were just kind of like, \u201cOh, this kid.\u201d<\/em><\/p>\nCarol: I know. \u201cDoes this mother not see this?\u201d<\/em><\/p>\nKatie: And now, I turn around and say, \u201cOkay sweetie. Go stand by your mom.\u201d <\/em>I just parent them.<\/p>\nCarol: Right.<\/p>\n
Katie: It\u2019s very easy to do. And I don\u2019t think that\u2019s inappropriate. I mean, I think there is parenting in public of strangers that at some point \u2013 could be inappropriate. But I think for the most part, you have the comfort and the ability to be more empathic with people.<\/p>\n
Carol: With somebody else\u2019s kids too.<\/p>\n
Katie: Yeah.<\/p>\n
Carol: And they look at you and they\u2019re like, \u201cOh! My mother has been saying that for half an hour. She said that. Oh my God! It must be true.\u201d <\/em>And all of a sudden, they get silent and stare at you.<\/p>\nKatie: And isn\u2019t leading \u2013 just a little bit like that? Because you have to be able to have some backbone \u2013 around telling somebody something.<\/p>\n
Carol: True. And it is like that.<\/p>\n
Katie: And I don\u2019t know \u2013 as I get a little chicken sometimes with, \u201cI don\u2019t want to offend somebody. I don\u2019t want to say it the wrong way.\u201d <\/em>I mean, you\u2019re not that way.<\/p>\nCarol: Right. I\u2019ve never seen you chicken. Katie always tells it like it is.<\/p>\n
Katie: I do. But let me think of a situation where I should have been more assertive.<\/p>\n
Carol: Yeah.<\/p>\n
Katie: Well, I was in a meeting the other day \u2013 with a client that I do some training with. And they had kind of said, \u201cHere\u2019s what our expectation is \u2013 for the next time we work together.\u201d<\/em><\/p>\nAnd it surprised me. It wasn\u2019t unreasonable. It was just \u2013 I wonder whether there was something else behind it.<\/p>\n
So afterwards, I walked away from that. And there were a couple of things that I meant to ask. But because I was a little bit thrown by what they said, I was taken aback. I couldn\u2019t tell if maybe my feelings were hurt, because I couldn\u2019t tell if they were trying to get at something or not.<\/p>\n
And so instead of bringing it up at the time, I wanted to remain composed. So I didn\u2019t bring it up. And that\u2019s where I get mad at myself. Because I\u2019m like, \u201cNo, no, no!\u201d<\/em><\/p>\nWhen you\u2019re having a reaction\u2026 (And this is in so many of our other tips.) When you\u2019re having an emotional reaction\u2026 And I don\u2019t mean your emotions are out of control, but you just have some sort of reaction that\u2019s \u2013 \u201cHmm. I wonder.\u201d \u201cOoh! That kind of stung.\u201d You know that sort of thing. You don\u2019t behave the way you think you should.<\/p>\n
Carol: Right. Because you\u2019re reactionary.<\/p>\n
Katie: Right. And often, it\u2019s because \u2013 for me, it\u2019s because I\u2019m being safe.<\/p>\n
So now, this goes back to feminine integrity. Because it\u2019s now \u2013 was I showing my own personal integrity, was standing up for myself at the time and saying, \u201cTell me more about what you might be getting at \u2013 when you say that? Did you see a behavior in such a way?\u201d<\/em><\/p>\nAnd in fact, I did pinpoint an example of working with somebody in their staff. They thought I was taking advantage of that person.<\/p>\n
And in actuality\u2026 Well, they wanted to make sure that I wasn\u2019t. I don\u2019t think it looked like I was. But I would have easily worked more closely with that person \u2013 if I\u2019ve known it\u2019d been an okay thing to do.<\/p>\n
So here\u2019s an example. I\u2019m staying kind of general again. But here\u2019s an example of a role that I had with someone that looked like I was behaving in a different way than what I meant to come off as. So I think my integrity may have been compromised because I wasn\u2019t straightforward with my intent.<\/p>\n
Carol: Got it.<\/p>\n
Katie: Does that make sense?<\/p>\n
Carol: Yeah, sure. The more straightforward you can be with somebody \u2013 that is part of integrity.<\/p>\n
Katie: Yeah.<\/p>\n
Carol: You know, just telling it like it is. \u201cIt\u2019s not different than this. This is how it is. And if there\u2019s something I can do different, you let me know. But this was my intent. If it came off different \u2013 again, let me know.\u201d<\/em><\/p>\nKatie: Yes, yes. And so, I did follow it up with a statement around because I really like opening up a conversation with this \u2013 \u201cWhat\u2019s important to me?\u201d<\/em><\/p>\nSo I did follow it up with a statement of, \u201cI want you all to know that what\u2019s important to me when we work together \u2013 is to have the content waterproof.\u201d<\/em> And whether that means \u2013 \u201cSomebody on your staff has to go the extra mile that do edits for me or whatever.\u201d<\/em><\/p>\nThat\u2019s kind of secondary to me. But what I\u2019m getting at is, \u201cThis is what\u2019s important to me.\u201d<\/em> So I made sure that I said that. So there was a part of my integrity that I\u2019ve defended at that point. But I did walk away with thinking, \u201cI\u2019m not sure whether I got to where they were going with some of their statements.\u201d<\/em><\/p>\nCarol: Interesting.<\/p>\n
Katie: Communication is a funny thing.<\/p>\n
Carol: It is a funny thing. You know, one of the things I did \u2013 looking at this tip \u2013 is identify what integrity is. And Google\u2019s definition of integrity \u2013 is the quality of being honest and having a strong moral principles and moral uprightness.<\/p>\n
Now, so what\u2019s moral? Morality \u2013 is principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behavior. That\u2019s pretty simple.<\/p>\n
Katie: But are we talking about that though \u2013 with women\u2019s femininity?<\/p>\n
Carol: No. Well, I think we\u2019re talking about integrity. I mean, feminine integrity is important, but integrity at the base of that \u2013 is really what\u2019s most important here. It\u2019s just having integrity.<\/p>\n
And by feminine integrity \u2013 we just mean, \u201cDon\u2019t walk away from your instincts. Don\u2019t walk away from what feels right as the person you are \u2013 to do in the situation.\u201d<\/em><\/p>\nKatie: Yes. And shall we be clear that we\u2019re not saying it\u2019s wrong to act like a man \u2013 if it might be more natural for you or appropriate in a certain situation.<\/p>\n
Carol: Absolutely. And I will say in many cases, I can come off very strong. It\u2019s interesting to me, because I don\u2019t think of myself as a really strong woman, but I think everybody else does.<\/p>\n
Katie: You\u2019re firm.<\/p>\n
Carol: I\u2019m fairly firm, but I\u2019m also very opinionated. And I think that\u2019s where I come off as \u2013 people thinking I\u2019m stronger than I am and it may come off a little bit male oriented because I am so firm in my opinions and I\u2019m assertive because I have strong opinions.<\/p>\n
So, interesting. People do look at me and I\u2019ve had men tell me before, \u201cGosh! Your husband is a really great guy. I don\u2019t think anybody else would have married you.\u201d<\/em><\/p>\nKatie: Would they say that second part or they infer that second part?<\/p>\n
Carol: Oh, they inferred the second part. But its more \u2013 \u201cWell, why wouldn\u2019t anybody love me?\u201d <\/em>And they\u2019re just inferring that I am a strong woman.<\/p>\nKatie: Oh! I can\u2019t imagine somebody saying that about you.<\/p>\n
Carol: Oh, it happened more than once.<\/p>\n
Katie: But now I\u2019m thinking \u2013 when someone says, \u201cYour husband, Katie \u2013 is the greatest guy.\u201d <\/em>I wonder if that\u2019s what they\u2019re getting at now.<\/p>\nCarol: He puts up with you.<\/p>\n
Katie: No, he gets to live with me.<\/p>\n
Carol: That\u2019s right. That\u2019s what I think of.<\/p>\n
Katie: Well, I\u2019m just looking at the difference between morality and integrity for our purpose. Because I don\u2019t want women to walk away \u2013feeling like, \u201cOh, I\u2019ve been bad \u2013 because I haven\u2019t been true to myself.\u201d<\/em> \nIt\u2019s very natural to be bearing some of those instincts. And that is really one of our objectives \u2013 is to bring that out more.<\/p>\nCarol: Absolutely, yes. Just to make us all more comfortable with those things that are natural to us.<\/p>\n
Katie: Just be aware of it.<\/p>\n
Carol: Yeah. And every time Katie and I get together, it reminds me to be aware of that side of me which doesn\u2019t always come out because I\u2019m trying to act in a certain way. I\u2019m trying to be assertive.<\/p>\n
Katie: Yeah. So that goes back to the example that I have with. And maybe many of you listeners are in this stage of your career \u2013 especially if you\u2019re younger \u2013 those early years where I was in a male based work environment. And so I behaved the way that everyone else was behaving. I would\u2019ve never been able to say. I don\u2019t know what I would\u2019ve looked like being myself. Do I mean that?<\/p>\n
Carol: No, that\u2019s actually\u2026 I mean, I think you\u2019re still building who yourself is \u2013 through your teenage years and your early 20\u2019s. You\u2019re building who you\u2019re going to be.<\/p>\n
Katie: So could you take the way you behave with your friends when you\u2019re at happy hour with them?<\/p>\n
Carol: Oh, absolutely.<\/p>\n
Katie: Or the way that you\u2019re doing a little project with your family? Could you look at the leadership flavor of that and how you conduct yourself and say, \u201cThat\u2019s more me?\u201d <\/em>I don\u2019t know whether it translates\u2026<\/p>\nCarol: \u201cThat\u2019s really me. That\u2019s really where I\u2019m comfortable.\u201d<\/em><\/p>\nKatie: And \u201cWhat\u2019s that look like at work?\u201d<\/em><\/p>\nCarol: And I\u2019ve got to tell you. So I\u2019ve been interviewing for a couple of job openings and I interview. I don\u2019t care where people are starting.<\/p>\n
So I\u2019ve interviewed a lot of folks who are fresh out of college. Some folks that are \u2013 this is their 20th<\/sup> job and they\u2019re a little bit older.<\/p>\nInteresting. And I like the fact that a lot of the younger women are telling me. \u201cHere\u2019s how I work at school. Here\u2019s how I work in teams. Here\u2019s how I stay organized with my homework and how I get it all done.\u201d<\/em><\/p>\nSo even if you\u2019re not in a management position or a leadership position right now, this is how you\u2019re conducting yourself in these situations.<\/p>\n
Katie: I would say \u2013 if you\u2019re in almost any job, (especially if you\u2019re listening to a podcast on women\u2019s leadership) but almost any job. Whether you have direct reports or not, you\u2019re responsible for self-management in the least and being effective and making something happen. That takes leadership. That takes self-management and leadership.<\/p>\n
Carol: Yeah. And some of these young women are keeping it together \u2013 under very strenuous circumstances.<\/p>\n
Katie: Exactly.<\/p>\n
Carol: And I say young women only, because that\u2019s who applied for the job \u2013 which was interesting.<\/p>\n
I had one man apply for the job and I did give him an interview because he looked good on paper.<\/p>\n
Katie: How long ago was that?<\/p>\n
Carol: Last week.<\/p>\n
Katie: Oh, okay.<\/p>\n
Carol: Yeah. So it was a lesson in our education system. It was a lesson in just people\u2019s personalities when they get into an interview. \u201cOh! I learned so much.\u201d<\/em><\/p>\nKatie: Yes.<\/p>\n
Carol: Not just about them, but about me and about me and about other people.<\/p>\n
Katie: I did a class years ago. I did taught a class because somebody gave me the leader guide \u2013 so I wasn\u2019t completely coming from zero on interviewing. Giving interviews and going into an interview. And it\u2019s really a lot to think of.<\/p>\n
Carol: Do you still have that content?<\/p>\n
Katie: I don\u2019t know. I might.<\/p>\n
Carol: Because if we do \u2013 we might want to do a podcast on that.<\/p>\n
Katie: Oh, yeah. Okay.<\/p>\n
Carol: If you\u2019re interested, please send us a message. Leave us a message on our podcast.<\/p>\n
We actually have something called, \u201cSpeak Pipe.\u201d And if you leave a message, it\u2019s an audio message on our podcast web blog.<\/p>\n
Katie: Where you can leave an audio message.<\/p>\n
Carol: And if we play your audio on one of our next podcast, we will send you an autographed book.<\/p>\n
What do you think about that? That\u2019s kind of fascinating and fun.<\/p>\n
Katie: I like it!<\/p>\n
Carol: But I do like the idea of possibly doing a podcast on interviewing and interview skills.<\/p>\n
Katie: Because there are some very basic things to keep in mind that differentiate you from everybody else \u2013 as soon as you keep those in mind.<\/p>\n
Carol: Since we\u2019re talking about integrity. Can I tell you just really quickly what the young man did in the interview?<\/p>\n
Katie: Sure. What?<\/p>\n
Carol: He came in. He was totally unfocused. He sat down with his phone, placed it under the table \u2013 just where he could barely see it, where I can see it. And he preceded to I believe \u2013 text, throughout the interview.<\/p>\n
Katie: Oh! That doesn\u2019t seem right.<\/p>\n
Carol: It was really bad. And we\u2019ve talked about this \u2013 in some of our charisma talk. The minute somebody unfocuses from you, you lose your ability to keep talking to them.<\/p>\n
Katie: You\u2019ve lost presence.<\/p>\n
Carol: I was completely distracted and I couldn\u2019t talk to him anymore. And I finally just said, \u201cI\u2019m sorry, but am I bothering you?\u201d<\/em><\/p>\nKatie: Did you?<\/p>\n
Carol: I did.<\/p>\n
Katie: And did he fess up?<\/p>\n
Carol: And we has like, \u201cOh, I\u2019m sorry. I just had this one thing. I had to get out of the way.\u201d <\/em>I was like, \u201cReally?\u201d<\/em><\/p>\nKatie: That shows you where the interview wasn\u2019t important.<\/p>\n
Carol: Right. I don\u2019t think he wanted the job.<\/p>\n
Katie: So the wrap-up for this tip. Let\u2019s read it again. Identify what feminine integrity looks like and live toward leading with it.<\/em><\/p>\nThat\u2019s the first on a series of lots of tips \u2013 because they come from Skirt Strategies: 249 Success Tips for Women in Leadership.<\/em><\/a><\/p>\nAnd if you like it and you want to hear more about the tips \u2013 our next one in the podcast series will be Tip Number 2: Growing your credibility by getting certifications where you can and the value of self-development around\u2026<\/em><\/p>\nCarol: Don\u2019t go into it a bunch because we\u2019re going to podcast on it.<\/p>\n
Katie: Yeah. I\u2019m trying to do a teaser.<\/p>\n
Carol: Alright. So stay tuned.<\/p>\n
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That\u2019s it for this episode of the Skirt Strategies<\/em> podcast. Thank you for joining us and please be sure to leave a question or comment at skirtstrategies.com.<\/a> Remember that success comes when you lead \u2013 using your natural female strengths.<\/p>\n\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n[END OF TRANSCRIPT]<\/strong><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"The topic of this episode deals with Tip #1 from Skirt Strategies: 249 Success Tips for Women in Leadership: Identify what feminine integrity looks like and live toward leading with it. So often we ask ourselves, \u201cWhat do I want to do for a living?\u201d Instead, ask yourself who you want to be in this […]<\/p>\n
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